Nah, miss me with that. Even in the ESL, it would probably be dominated by a group of teams (Real, Barca, Bayern, etc) if a team like Arsenal struggle in the Prem, why would they fair any better against the top clubs of Europe. You underestimate the pull and power of money. If you want change you need it to be more fundamental. The European Super League. For example, you could unlock English non-leagues in FM20. Do you think these clubs would have as easy a time competing against the top clubs as they have in their domestic leagues? 15. What happens? The European Super League. And lastly, I enjoy the interesting matchups that the cup format allows. ... Bartomeu said he accepted a proposal on Monday for Barcelona to play in "a future European Super League" which "would guarantee the … Copa del Rey. Only the big clubs win. It seems to me that the majority of people oppose such a league, often talked about over the years by UEFA, and just as often talked down by football associations and fans alike. Or that PSG more than doubled the transfer record in a single swoop, whilst also buying their rival’s best player in a shady deal? If we thought we had seen it it all however, we were wrong. The league … Domestic football keeps the game alive. Real Madrid faces Athletic Bilbao for a spot in the final of the Spanish Super Cup against Barcelona. Plus, due to the format, national cups seem to have a higher degree in variance of winners; as Wigan have won it recently, as have Portsmouth for example. However, who is to say that some agreement couldn’t be formed, that a percentage of the ESL’s earnings would have to go directly to the other leagues in Europe? That was a bit of a long read perhaps. Since winning the Champions League for a fifth time in 2013, Bayern has lost four semifinals -- to record 13-time champion Real … This comes after German publication Der Spiegel professed that top clubs in Europe have held talks behind closed doors to create a tournament of such sort by 2021. It would be insanely competitive in all likelihood. Although it seems the top heavy aspect of modern football is weighting on fans. Allen was fifth in the league in both touchdown passes (37) and passing yards (4,544), while leading the Bills to a 13-3 record. Same here. The point being, money is already completely unbalancing Europe’s Leagues. A European Super League. We just need to flat out boycott this bullshit and it'll go away. Malaga - Granada-18 January, Tomorrow. Only 5 teams or so can be called elite. An European Super League would benefit European football as far as I’m concerned. The 16 clubs not invited would face almost immediate bankruptcy when the tv money shifted away from the domestic league to the SuperLeague. Here goes: It’s impossible to say what would happen to the domestic TV rights money with the creation of the ESL. News, results and discussion about the beautiful game. But before we do that, I would like to establish two presumptions of what I think would be the correct methodology of building an European Super League (ESL): With the existence of the ESL, there would be no need for both the Champions League AND the Europa League. President of FIFA Gianni Infantino has revealed that any player who will feature in the rumored European Super League risks being banned from the World Cup. In terms of national leagues alone, most fans simply can’t hope to win the title. Not only that but in England there would still be a need for televised matches in the new Premier League, just as there is now for Championship matches (lower division if you’re not aware). How are people not tired of football remaining the same? By Seb Stafford-Bloor 18 February 2020. Copa del Rey. This is the leverage. They make the money flow to the federations. Between the refusal for 5 subs and the shambolic implementation of VAR, I can understand why those with the most pull want more power. Lack of trophies sucks, but this will get them far more money. Soccer Streams is dedicated to the highest quality of free reddit soccerstreams and all other soccer related Leagues / Exclusive free HD quality at SStreams100. Domestic leagues would collapse with broadcasters shifting their funding to the super league rights, domestic clubs would be able to o compete even less, have less capacity to retain talent. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Bear in mind that of these 20, Bayern Munich have won FOURTEEN, that's 70% of the titles over 2 decades to one club. That would immediately elevate European football. The first two/three of each of these groups each qualify to a knock-out round which determines the CL/ESL champion. However, the top 1-2/3 teams of every league qualify to the CL/ESL which then has a total of around 50 teams split into 5 groups of 10, which play in a two-way league format January-April. The smaller top national leagues might make them more competitive (as only the top half of the table all compete). there will be no point in looking forward to European games any more and where then does that leave the Champions League also? If they can rip that apart, for profits. Yeah that’s what everyone says, until this has been going for 5 years and then it’s the new normal. For seemingly most people, an aberration, for others, an unrealistic dream. One could even have several tiers of European competition, so that teams 1-2 of the national league qualify to ESL1, 3-4 to ESL2 etc and they all play the same format in the second half. Take away City, Utd, Chelsea, etc, and Everton and Leicester will start to dominate in a couple of years as their much larger financial resources are quickly converted into unassailable advantages and their newfound success starts to create that deadly loop of the better players only wanting to play there. I think PL clubs are keeping the door open so that they get more power in the PL. You've made an argument based on "competitiveness" despite making assumpions that both a super league would be more competitive and that the national leagues would become moreso as well. Only 3 of these years were not won by Benfica or Porto. Some issues would be harder to plan for, or to viably justify how they would positively affect everyone in Europe. Added to a handsome trophy, the winners earn a spot in the group stage of the UEFA Champions League in the subsequent season. And they rule european football. Close. The football subreddit. Really, ask yourselves, how fun is it that Bayern have won the league by February? AC Milan, Juventus and Inter Milan are expected to be the Italian representatives in the tournament. The idea of a European Super League starting in 2021 may seem dead, but it's just stunned. UEFA Nations League; World Championships 2018; World Championship 2014; Euro 2016; Copa America; ... Super League. Thats because without a forced mechanism to cap spending, there is a structural inevitability that a few teams end up dominating a tournament. Imagine all these major clubs playin for basically one trophy. Looking forward to your thoughts in the comments. That's 80% of them. Snapchat. 288k Several people have talked about this, notably Arsene Wenger, Florentino Perez, recently Chiellini; whilst there have been rumors that over the years top clubs have held discussions with UEFA regarding the idea. The league … Florentino Perez is known to be leading the charge in hopes of organizing a European Super League made up of the 18 biggest clubs across Europe’s big five leagues. That's the most primitive take on it since its early inception. Snapchat. Take a breather. Regardless, soon after Chelsea came Manchester City. Problem with a European Super League is that it will lead to a European Super-Super League & so on until all that's left is Real Madrid & Barcelona playing each other 40 times a season. It would however be important that the schedules should not overlap too much, to allow for viewership in the national leagues. Press J to jump to the feed. Madrid, Jan 8, 2021 (AFP) - Third-division Cornella were rewarded for knocking Liga leaders Atletico Madrid out of the Spanish Cup with a home game against Barcelona in … The reason being, simply looking at past champions in 20 years ignores certain significant factors. So the solution is not to take the current oligarchy away. Log In Sign Up. Also you don't ever give an inclination of how and who would be involved and how it'd work considering you brought in relegation to it, And what of the clubs who are next in line to take advantage when the equally shared money is gone and it comes down to infrastructure and match day revenue? I dont get it. All the excitement is thrown out the window and everyone will focus on the ESL rather than any domestic league. The small clubs and their fans feel like someone is doing them a favor and making the league easy for them so they can win it. In Greece’s First division (which has changed name and possibly format?) OFFLINE Spain. Realistically speaking, around 75% of clubs in any given league has simply no feasible chance of winning the national league. I think a good middle ground might be to have it similarly to the Brazilian system (full disclosure, I don't 100% understand it haha). Sky Sports are reporting that a number of football clubs from across Europe are in talks to form a 'Super League’ which will be a competition for about 12-18 clubs from England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain backed by a 5 billion euro financing package. Listen in to their choices and why they picked your team or left them off the list. Out of these 20 years, only 4 of them were not won by either Ajax or PSV. Might actually be more effective. The issue is that once you take away the 2-3 biggest clubs in each league, the next 2-3 are almost guaranteed to start dominating in a similar fashion. They can surely do the same to PL/la Liga/Serie A etc. Normal promotion/relegation with the second tier (which can remain a ~20 team league that plays the full year) etc. 45 entries found, showing 30 per page It’s obvious that now all the international money that mostly goes to the Premier League, would be thrown at the new ESL. "Which is better - the 2015 and 2016 Chinese Super League or the 'thrifty Chinese Super League' starting in 2021?" Into joint regional leagues etc., And still have CL. The top clubs get to play each other in exciting matches every week in a more balanced format – who would honestly guess at which club could win a season long ESL? Ajax, AZ, Feyenoord, PSV and Twente. They said the same shit about the breakaway "Premiership" at the time. Take the top 4 away from La Liga? Same for the leagues. This would be a financial apocalypse for the domestic leagues. The name of the real contenders vary from time to time but the EPL hadnt had 6 legitimate title contenders at the same time. But is that really the case? in the Super 6 contest. Neither team has won the title in the past 20 years, but this ignores the fact that for quite a few of those seasons, both teams were amongst some of the most competitive in the league. The Soccer Snobs argue and banter their way to a 20 team European Super League!! Teams from around Europe battle to win the competition through a lengthy group stage and five KO stages. Malaga - Granada-18 January, Tomorrow. It's not all roses of course. It’s difficult to argue that that was not a turning point for the Premier League at least, although many will argue that the financial imbalance between clubs may started long before that, as clubs like Arsenal and Man Utd already had dominant spells in the league. Well they are digging the graves of European football, the PL, and the club all at the same time. Furthermore, the winners get to face the UEFA Champions League holder in the UEFA Super Cup match. With the exception of France’s Ligue 1, there have been at best 5 different champions in the last 20 years in the 9 leagues analyzed. The thing is that the EPL doesnt have 5/6 legitimate title contenders. It is with relative ease that football fans on this subreddit point out how disastrous this move would be, but in my humble opinion, I would say that this would be the best possible move for European football and its future, and something that may turn out to be inevitable. Posted by 1 day ago. All three clubs hadn’t, for years, been anywhere near close winning the league. President of FIFA Gianni Infantino has revealed that any player who will feature in the rumored European Super League risks being banned from the World Cup. Just a lot glossed over so you can repeatedly say how dominate leagues are in the past 20 years and how it's not fun. 2.5m members in the soccer community. If you look in 20 year periods back to ww2 I'm sure the same could still be said, with the exception of clubs being switched around because teams reap the rewards of their dominance. That percentage is actually lower as it doesn’t count the fact that in the last 20 years many clubs have been promoted and demoted, and so that percentage could possibly go as low as half of that. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Or that almost an entire nation roots for Napoli because for one reason or another, they can’t stand Juventus winning YET again? It would destroy so many leagues which in the long run would destroy the development of those National Teams. Villareal and Betis could be fighting to be champions. I do believe that despite some potential flaws in the idea, people have dismissed it far too early considering its potential. Denizlispor - Hatayspor. That level of competition is highly unlikely. Before someone pipes up saying "well that's different, it's in the same country/league" please remember the First Division of the English Football League was over 100 years old and the oldest association football league in the world. This is why instead of favoring competition, UEFA actually made efforts to lock the CL down, as exemplified by the new CL format rewarding 4 automatic spots to the top 4 leagues. AEK, Olympiakos and Panathinaikos. For me, the fetish for big teams playing each other all the time and generating all their money is killing football for the smaller sides. Liverpool Ladies clinched their first Women's Super League title by beating Bristol in the end-of-season decider. You don't consider that the same thing would happen 10 years down the line when the national leagues just become dominated by the next big teams. reddit. However, this dominance had been asserted then through proper club administration, which had lead these clubs to success. Was Arsenal really a candidate this season? In Serie A’s Last 20 years, there have only been 5 different winners - Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Milan and Roma. Portugal, Greece and Scotland will now actually have some competition for the national league. The balance of the CL being a cup competition is okay, but a league could absolutely destroy it. As a fan of quality football id be all in for the ESL. Although in many ways I like the idea of a ESL, I want to challenge a certain part of your post.. You use champions from the last 20 years as a mark to determine the lack of competition in Europes top leagues, but I think this is a flawed way of looking at it. OFFLINE Spain. Manchester City were in a lower division not many years before having been taken over, whilst Chelsea and PSG – even though notable clubs with some history, were mid-table clubs. Plus, again, with the large amounts of money that would be generated in the ESL, it would be fairly easy to make some of that money available to help away fans – something that top clubs already do often enough as it is in the CL and the EL. Copa del Rey. Or that in Spain the priority of the media and the league money distribution vastly rests between Barcelona and Real Madrid? in the Super 6 contest. Help: Live soccer results at Soccer 24 offer soccer live scores and results, cups and tournaments, providing also goal scorers, soccer halftime results, red cards, goal alerts and other soccer live score information from Greece - Super League 2020/2021. It wont be as exciting or prestigious anymore. Many of Europe's smaller countries' national leagues are dominated by the big teams from the largest cities, which isn't much of a surprise, it comes down to money and infrastructure really, along with larger catchment areas for youth. Plus, let’s not forget that there would be a relegation and promotion to be made out of the ESL, which means an extra competitive edge for clubs not in it. Champions League UEFA; Europe League UEFA; Super Cup UEFA; National teams. Think about it - generally speaking, away teams in the Champions League have no shortage of away fans – and that happens on WEEK days. 3 weeks ago England, Premier League 0 444 Brighton & Hove Albion vs Arsenal Full Match replay, Brighton & Hove Albion vs Arsenal football Highlights, download match football Brighton & Hove Albion vs Arsenal soccer for free, Brighton … OFFLINE Spain. Well, the national leagues become instantly far more competitive and interesting for all the clubs that can’t fight for the championship at the moment. And what will I do with all my memes involving PSG drawing Chelsea every year if they actually play each other every year? Phew. But in any case like in Brazil yiou have national leagues (like the state leagues on BR) during one half and a European league (like the Brasileiro) in the second half of the year Something like that, Edit: honestly, I think this could work really well. There is an argument that an ESL would make it more difficult for traveling fans to keep supporting their team. UEFA Nations League; World Championships 2018; World Championship 2014; Euro 2016; Copa America; ... Super League. You preserve the nation league, title and everything. You'll never have a situation where every team or even half of the teams are capable of winning the league. If it does happen. In Primeira Liga’s last 20 years, there have only been 4 different winners – Benfica, Boavista, Porto and Sporting. Juventus is no longer seen as the absolute clear favorite to win the Serie A every year. ... Bartomeu said he accepted a proposal on Monday for Barcelona to play in "a future European Super League" which "would guarantee the … Yeah I think this is more likely in the near/mid future. You would not only be rooting for your club to win your national league, but also access to the ESL. A subreddit for news and discussion of Liverpool FC, a football club playing in the English Premier League. I'd be done with football from a top 5 league perspective. Sure, they'll likely be thrashed but just being at those games means so much to the fans. Man City now has to compete directly against Barcelona and Juventus for a title, as does Chelsea, as does any other rich and top club that has been sweeping leagues away for fun. Let’s also have a look at some of the other leagues in Europe: In the Ligue 1’s last 20 years, there have been a staggering 9 different winners – Bordeaux, Lens, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Montepellier, Monaco, Nantes and PSG. Hit the Snobs social media to agree/disagree with the list. So why do fans seem to be opposed to this idea so vehemently? The fan backlash would be ridiculous. Seeing Barcelona play Chelsea twice a season would kind of break the magic, no? Leeds Rhinos and Wigan Warriors have won nine of the past 10 Grand Finals. There are other examples which aren’t as noteworthy, such as RB Leipzig, but that hasn’t yielded results as great as the previous ones. Chelsea will be seen for some as the biggest culprits in guaranteeing that football could never return to the days of true competitiveness, as they came from mid-table status to champions in a whim when Roman Abramovic took over the club and splashed around silly money to get some the best players (and coach) that Europe had to offer. Furthermore, the champion’s league, retaining its weekly format, would now benefit the clubs that would previously not be in it, and even though there would be a decline in viewership due to the top clubs resisting in the ESL now, there would still be money to be made there, just like there is in the current Europa League. The Rugby Football League has approved plans to raise the salary cap in Super League from £1.825m to £2.1m by 2020. The CL is exciting because you do get those big match ups of Real-Bayern or Juventus - Barca or PSG-Barca or City-Real. Home of the English Premier League on Reddit. An ESL taking place at the weekend would make it a lot easier for people to attend games. Juventus or Madrird 12th in the table with no prospect of winning half way into the season. Did someone, last summer, expected Arsenal to win the league? Even more money made available, and bigger transfers were splashed. This will ONLY work if the money that flows into an ESL through various channels is also redistributed into the national leagues. Change the top national flights to smaller leagues with only ~10 teams, that play September-December. The steps the Champions League and Europa have taken have already made it incredibly difficult for smaller teams to have glamour ties. At the same rate, the national leagues would get far more breeding room for the non-top clubs to compete for the title, giving the fans a lot more to root for than they usually get to; whilst at the same time, having a lot less chances of having a club completely dominating the league. Problem is big clubs won't be ok with this. Burnley could well be fighting to be champions along with Arsenal and Chelsea. Football Manager 2020 League Updates Add more playable leagues to FM 2020, which are created with the Football Manager 2020 data editor. Problem is this. And because the standings of the national league on the first half decide the composition of the CL in the second half, there'd regularly be excitement of facing new/different opponents. It’s easy to argue they should stay as it is, so that the top clubs could still see some national action. Now I ask you to envision the following scenario: An ESL exists. ... as part of a Super Wild Card Weekend that promises to ... conceding a whopping 471 yards per game and on a path to smash the National Football League… For example: imagine if Liverpool won the Premier League: a lot of people would say they were unable to do it when the giant teams were around and it took a huge nerf to make them win it. I guess it's like a mini super regional league, then still have CL. Porto vs Madrid etc. No one wants that. They are clearly outsiders like Schalke 04 or Sevilla/Valencia. Smaller clubs like Burnley or Bournemouth rely on United, Liverpool and other big clubs to bring in the fans to the league and thus bring in the money to the league. Meanwhile, Leonard recorded his … Take the top 4 away from the Premier League? Football never really has been "balanced", not since the very beginning, and different things guage success for different clubs. No league has that. If it happens, I'll support a club from my native country. It seems to me that the majority of people oppose such a league, often talked about over the years by UEFA, and just as often talked down by football associations and fans alike. It’s clear that the chance of winning the league is an illusion to the vast majority of the clubs within these leagues, considered to be the top. Every domestic trophy will instantly lose any value it had and small teams will have nothing to play for. 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